tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post8995943124603814575..comments2024-02-26T00:59:26.907-08:00Comments on Ana the Imp: Starkey and the MorlocksAnastasia F-Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-40683100332117741372011-08-21T15:21:21.030-07:002011-08-21T15:21:21.030-07:00Rehan, indeed.Rehan, indeed.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-27098828171563370252011-08-18T22:32:44.335-07:002011-08-18T22:32:44.335-07:00I am direly reminded of the Prime Minister's s...I am direly reminded of the Prime Minister's speech regarding the failure of state multi-culturalism earlier this year.Rehan Qayoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02391797858691917631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-5353976374683455612011-08-18T01:17:40.550-07:002011-08-18T01:17:40.550-07:00Thanks, Bearsy. The worst thing about it is the h...Thanks, Bearsy. The worst thing about it is the he is about to be silenced by an awful liberal consensus, political correctness at it's most virulent.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-6743560477975450752011-08-18T00:55:09.819-07:002011-08-18T00:55:09.819-07:00Great article, Ana. Thanks for redirecting me he...Great article, Ana. Thanks for redirecting me here.<br /><br />It is beyond belief that anyone could be so brain-washed by political correctness as to see racism in David's comments - any of them.<br /><br />It has become the English disease. To misquote The Bard - "Cry racism, and let slip the dogs of war".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-22026076395656031732011-08-17T23:54:29.381-07:002011-08-17T23:54:29.381-07:00Dominic, I recall that television viewing figures ...Dominic, I recall that television viewing figures were far higher in the 1970's than they are today. <br /><br />We are nearly there but not quite in other words.<br /><br />David Starkey remembers that in previous decades a significant number of Britain's youth was not in thrall to cultural poverty. Now it is.Nobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329815721904353534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-13371486528218409532011-08-17T15:37:38.499-07:002011-08-17T15:37:38.499-07:00Anthony. we've had too much SS - Social Securi...Anthony. we've had too much SS - Social Security - over the years, too much multi-culturalism, betraying so many people.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-25341164769272795042011-08-17T15:36:21.232-07:002011-08-17T15:36:21.232-07:00Dominic, I'm sure you know the man and the sty...Dominic, I'm sure you know the man and the style; he shoots from the hip. But there is no malice here, no racism, merely a cry of cultural despair. His comment about Lammey was clumsy, I agree, but all he was saying was that he would come across as part of the mainstream, not as the voice of a sub-culture. I like that quote. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-48579173055295278052011-08-17T15:32:59.785-07:002011-08-17T15:32:59.785-07:00Nobby, yes, yes, it's an argument against the ...Nobby, yes, yes, it's an argument against the worst forms of cultural poverty,of betrayal,if you like.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-53587752198224479842011-08-17T15:31:18.421-07:002011-08-17T15:31:18.421-07:00Michael,as a counter-point I would just say that s...Michael,as a counter-point I would just say that some of the cleverest people I know are black,people who have broken free of a cultural ghetto.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-52122873845258721932011-08-17T15:29:53.835-07:002011-08-17T15:29:53.835-07:00Richard, absolutely,Morgan is the last person to p...Richard, absolutely,Morgan is the last person to play the self-righteous card.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-90077925674588659922011-08-17T14:24:46.090-07:002011-08-17T14:24:46.090-07:00Starkey argued against cultural poverty. Whether a...Starkey argued against cultural poverty. Whether a certain section of the community embraces this culture or not is incidental.Nobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329815721904353534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-85897368848224220472011-08-17T07:41:05.969-07:002011-08-17T07:41:05.969-07:00Where is the SS when you need them? Purge society,...Where is the SS when you need them? Purge society, holocaust them! They are starting up in America too, they call this flash mobs.anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02931330128135957439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-10121496998839725992011-08-17T06:02:59.541-07:002011-08-17T06:02:59.541-07:00Well I like a bit of robust polemic as much as any...Well I like a bit of robust polemic as much as any man, but I still think Starkey could have been slightly (if uncharacteristically!) more careful in the way that he expressed himself, although I was more astounded by his claim that one might presume, on hearing David Lammey speak, that he was white, that by the "whites are becoming black" thing (not least as the latter is patently true)<br /><br />To be more precise, I think it was a certain type of American black-dominated (but by no means exclusively so) "hip hop/gangsta" popular culture, vulgarised (as the French would say) in England by the mass media that was one inspiration for the backdrop to all this, one result of which is: people who watch too much TV and have no confident cultural identity of their own - hence the nonsense of calling the Met "the feds", for starters.<br /><br />I do think that lack of confident cultural identity of their own part is one of the key issues. Plus, to quote a black US hip-hop group, "Television, the drug of the nation, breeding ignorance and spreading radiation"Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00145734042272196687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-21300290051020560462011-08-17T03:17:41.531-07:002011-08-17T03:17:41.531-07:00Absolutely on the button. Piers Morgan is a media ...Absolutely on the button. Piers Morgan is a media tart and a coward of the first order. As for David Starkey his honesty is refreshing and his intellect intact unlike Morgan and other twerps which litter British culturally Marxist broadcasting. Well said once again Ana.Nobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329815721904353534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-83505503191535440852011-08-17T03:00:00.084-07:002011-08-17T03:00:00.084-07:00It's interesting that wherever you look, black...It's interesting that wherever you look, black people are at the bottom of the pile. As waves of other ethnic groups arrive they start at the bottom and rise, leaving the blacks at the bottom. <br /><br />When I lived in Singapore many years ago it was easy to observe that at the tops of the Chinese, Indian and Malay social piles, the people were lighter skinned. Why would that be I wonder?Michael J McCormickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15420031175369432868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-2411028803435147122011-08-17T02:47:24.072-07:002011-08-17T02:47:24.072-07:00Piers Morgan is an opinionated self-promoter with ...Piers Morgan is an opinionated self-promoter with such a limited repertoire he is an object of pathos, however he was an amoral editor who jeopardized the lives of British troops and who cares only for his own publicity which is not deserved. Regarding Starkey's well aimed comments, those who sell their identities out of fear, to belong to something they have no part of have really, to use a phrase from the American South, sold themselves down the river.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-44236212814912166412011-08-17T01:09:27.885-07:002011-08-17T01:09:27.885-07:00Matt, he is not; he is talking about a particular ...Matt, he is not; he is talking about a particular type of culture. I cannot emphasise enough this has nothing to do with race. I'm know black people, people at university and elsewhere, close friends who are as hostile to this kind of thing as Starkey. I have a robust way of expressing myself, heavy with sardonic humour, as you will find if you decide to stick around here.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-6218889528664366212011-08-17T00:45:06.396-07:002011-08-17T00:45:06.396-07:00Starkey seemed to be talking specifically about sk...Starkey seemed to be talking specifically about skin colour. He may not have meant to, but it sounded like he was suggesting that being black is a negative characteristic. White = OK. Black = corrupting of white people and more likely to riot. <br /><br />It was, at best, a stupid thing to say. At worst, racist. It sounded racist.<br /><br />You want to "banish this wretched sub class to some nether world". What does <br />that mean? Kill them off or ignore them? <br /><br />Writing an ill-defined group off as an alien subspecies only adds to the problems.Matt Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14221097260894424595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-26500477548070740882011-08-17T00:30:04.157-07:002011-08-17T00:30:04.157-07:00Calvin, a bizarre sub-species. :-))Calvin, a bizarre sub-species. :-))Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-90981643427514974662011-08-17T00:29:30.492-07:002011-08-17T00:29:30.492-07:00Jean Paul, he has an abrasive style, that's tr...Jean Paul, he has an abrasive style, that's true, but I rather like that. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-64907678175335413542011-08-16T17:27:44.066-07:002011-08-16T17:27:44.066-07:00The Natural History of the Submerged Tenth is a su...The Natural History of the Submerged Tenth is a subject about which I have no knowledge, and less interest. That pretty much describes my attitude towards the Chatterati, too. In these wonderful days of democratizing social media can it be that anyone still gives a toss about the opinions of journos and talking heads (apart from one another)? What a strange worldview they must have!Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640148105202971907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-33645321513908267542011-08-16T17:23:22.241-07:002011-08-16T17:23:22.241-07:00I have to say that Starkey is a rather annoying ma...I have to say that Starkey is a rather annoying man. I'd won't be surprised if some people cry 'burn him' even if they agree with his late comments. (BTW, I also agree with him, but would have rather said "the chavs are the new black"). They are the perfect object of hate - no know positive qualities, no lobby, bad press, no one calling you chavist.Jean Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11604470439372237292noreply@blogger.com