tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post8178841459196864682..comments2024-02-26T00:59:26.907-08:00Comments on Ana the Imp: The War of Northern GreedAnastasia F-Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-58822634443224061242011-09-20T16:38:16.789-07:002011-09-20T16:38:16.789-07:00Daniel, thanks; you put your points very well inde...Daniel, thanks; you put your points very well indeed. The South certainly thought that their 'peculiar institution'was in danger, especially when it came to the issue of so-called free soil and western expansion. Southerners may have sought to defend slavery but it was not the main reason for the North going to war. Garrison and the Abolitionists may have been a vociferous minority in the Republican Party, but they were still a minority.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-31421513044136138082011-09-03T18:23:36.734-07:002011-09-03T18:23:36.734-07:00Anastasia and Weisdorn, I DO agree with you that E...Anastasia and Weisdorn, I DO agree with you that Economic reasons were the primary reason that motivated the war.<br /><br />One who lives here in the deep south, as I do, in the state of Georgia, an hour and a half south of metropolitan Atlanta, in the rural areas of Georgia cannot possibly argue with your position that Economics was the reason for the war. :) All we have to do is look around us at the ruins.<br /><br />From a deep south perspective, it was OVERWHELMINGLY the greatest reason for the war most undeniably.<br /><br />Where I beg to differ is that I assert to you that the "CAUSE" of the war was hatred of the blacks. I support that statement with the following thesis:<br /><br />If whites had not viewed blacks as inferior, not wholly human, therefore not entitled to rights, they would most likely have not enslaved them for economic reasons. Most likely forced labour in America would have been prison labour.<br /><br />But because it was easy to choose someone who was thought not to have a soul, not to be entirely human, to be a slave, it made perfectly good economic sense to do so. The other side of the discriminatory reasoning was that if a black man is not entirely human, does not have rights or a soul, we will not be judged before Almighty God for any death or injury to them either. Lack of Eternal Judgement added to the trend to take blacks as slaves.<br /><br />The trend for black slavery continued and loomed out of control by the time the war started. One of the economic reasons for the war was to preserve the wealth of the south INCLUDING slaves, who were by that time the majority of the work force in the south.<br /><br />The attitude of hatred looms larger than the economic ruins even today. I grew up in downtown Columbia, SC during the racial riots of the 1960s and 70's. I have many white and black friends all of whom will so easily tell you that the attitude of hatred exists today, though not prevalent since the 1970s or 1980s, except amongst the elderly and many in rural areas who would be wealthy now if white, or slaves now if black.<br /><br />So I assert that the UNDERLYING cause of 1) slavery, 2) the slave-based economy in the south, 3)the refusal to give up the slave-based economy, 4) the moral outcry of the North and abolitionists against the slave based economy of the south, 5)and the political attitudes that gripped the people who held in their pockets the economy of the nation, was hatred of the blacks which still exists today, as does the economically disadvantaged black person.<br /><br />Though the slave based economy is long gone, people still talk of their feelings about one another, and the values and oral traditions common to every society still exist here and can be heard on the porches, in the market, in the parlours, and in the hallways of Southern America that was once the South that rose to war in defense of its economy. I hope that I have made my position clearer now.daniel.wheeler31088@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12166076731475045775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-28449895089261215992011-08-28T15:31:48.991-07:002011-08-28T15:31:48.991-07:00Weissdorn, indeed so.Weissdorn, indeed so.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-89947197679976843872011-08-28T15:30:57.098-07:002011-08-28T15:30:57.098-07:00Daniel, yes, I quite understand. But still race a...Daniel, yes, I quite understand. But still race and slavery had next to nothing to do with the outbreak of the war and had little influence on its early course.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-64750643774374339352011-08-28T15:27:19.182-07:002011-08-28T15:27:19.182-07:00CB, thank you. We have close family friends in Ge...CB, thank you. We have close family friends in Georgia, Old South, I think you might call them. I've been visiting on and off since I was quite small. I learned all about a Southern Presbyterian tradition and I learned - in certain company - to refer to the conflict as the War of Northern Aggression. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-75266276712335441662011-08-28T15:23:45.394-07:002011-08-28T15:23:45.394-07:00Calvin, some, as you quite rightly indicated, were...Calvin, some, as you quite rightly indicated, were better than others. I've developed a recent interest in the career of Herbert Hoover. something I intend to write about reasonably soon, though not now until I come back from vacation.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-680854861222044772011-08-28T10:31:06.265-07:002011-08-28T10:31:06.265-07:00Thank for this blog, it points out the the now 150...Thank for this blog, it points out the the now 150 year old propaganda of how America's Civil War was fought to abolish slavery. That was side-effect. And if students of American history would focus more on economics and less on battles wages and strategies employed then they begin to notice things like how the Southern states were held economically captive for the next three decades, which hindered their development into this day and age. Aside from that, all focus has been lost on the fact that although the slaves were emancipated, they were never considered socially equal until the 1970sCeleste Neumannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06121686507934885254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-13618732567488870292011-08-27T13:03:55.469-07:002011-08-27T13:03:55.469-07:00Anastasia:
Your perspective was well written and ...Anastasia:<br /><br />Your perspective was well written and highly insightful, but I beg to differ.<br /><br />I grew up in the USA, childhood in the North, adolesence in the South, the deep south.<br /><br />The rioting of the 1960s and 1970s were a by-product of the attitudes that promulgated the war, and they were primarily HATRED of race.<br /><br />People were taught blacks were not whole people, had no souls and therefore had no rights.<br /><br />The issues that were passed down from four generations ago still exist in some parts, though we as a culture have embraced equality quite well.<br /><br />Compare it to the rioting and hatred in Ireland over church issues, Protestant and Catholic, or IRA ( Irish Republican Army?) at a slightly more recent time (1970s and 80s ).<br /><br />When we viewed another person with abject hatred, the political and financial issues became a secondary reason to portray to people that taught we should love and accept each other because we are human.<br /><br />The hatred carried on into my adolescence and thankfully we are much more accepting and loving as a culture ( with the exception of some Arabic sects right now).<br /><br />Personally I love studying other cultures and mixing with people from everywhere.daniel.wheeler31088@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12166076731475045775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-92169216445973486802011-08-26T04:55:59.768-07:002011-08-26T04:55:59.768-07:00Ana, it is such a joy that FINALLY someone in the ...Ana, it is such a joy that FINALLY someone in the blogosphere publishes the truth about what actually happened and why! So few people ("well-educated" or otherwise) even know that the true trigger to the war was the 1858 Tariff act, OR it wasn't repealed until the presidency of Bush41. Also most don't consider that it wasn't until ~1913 that the US Govt was funded by anything EXCEPT tariffs - so effectively the wealthy, agricultural South was footing the bill for the entire country. [Note: I remain hopeful that someday people will stop referring to it as the "American Civil war", as it wasn't. Unlike the "English Civil War", for which the struggle was for control for the entire country (the true definition of a CW) the "Southern Rebellion of 1861" (it's name as provided in the US Army's historical records) was only fought for control of a portion of it.]ColonialBoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408255297226140956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-49088162029140951582011-08-25T16:24:15.999-07:002011-08-25T16:24:15.999-07:00It all went pear-shaped with the Whisky Rebellion....It all went pear-shaped with the Whisky Rebellion. George was an autocrat, and his betrayal gave license to every president who followed.Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640148105202971907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-90192760491301588312011-08-25T15:15:55.918-07:002011-08-25T15:15:55.918-07:00Calvin, there is a deep irony here, considering th...Calvin, there is a deep irony here, considering the origins of the United States in opposition to forms of executive tyranny.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-72119553665558961272011-08-25T15:13:24.007-07:002011-08-25T15:13:24.007-07:00Bob, as always, your words are greatly appreciated...Bob, as always, your words are greatly appreciated.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-60490929562815540202011-08-25T15:12:46.595-07:002011-08-25T15:12:46.595-07:00Anthony, you rebel, you. :-)Anthony, you rebel, you. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-92085831472505963632011-08-25T15:12:25.711-07:002011-08-25T15:12:25.711-07:00Michele, you are most welcome. :-)Michele, you are most welcome. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-27886166967902954522011-08-25T06:41:05.832-07:002011-08-25T06:41:05.832-07:00American presidents who start wars are sanctified ...American presidents who start wars are sanctified by blood and lies. In our mythology they become our 'best' and 'greatest' leaders, however many lives their failures cost, however much property they destroy, however much damage they inflict on liberty and the Constitution.<br /><br />Presidents who merely keep the country safe, spend tax money frugally, act within the law are considered dull and ineffectual. Real Presidents make mounds of rotting corpses. They are our 'hero' leaders.Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640148105202971907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-47826176180678172462011-08-24T19:33:31.028-07:002011-08-24T19:33:31.028-07:00Superb post, Ana. History is like a building with ...Superb post, Ana. History is like a building with a facade that has been repaired and painted over many times throughout the years. In the case of our 'Late Unpleasantness' most observers prefer the esthetics of the false front.Bob Mackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13452703873713992208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-58447030015912424192011-08-24T19:08:43.740-07:002011-08-24T19:08:43.740-07:00Yes, the war of Northern aggression,Damn YankeesYes, the war of Northern aggression,Damn Yankeesanthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02931330128135957439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-58296403570962660712011-08-24T18:32:05.019-07:002011-08-24T18:32:05.019-07:00Wow - while I basically knew that the cause was mo...Wow - while I basically knew that the cause was more economic than principled I never knew the depth of the iniquity! Thanks for a brilliant expose.Michelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09117510718604467580noreply@blogger.com