tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post7227749145787100850..comments2024-02-26T00:59:26.907-08:00Comments on Ana the Imp: Gatsby on the outsideAnastasia F-Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-56183421280433027602010-11-28T15:31:26.675-08:002010-11-28T15:31:26.675-08:00Jeremy, like all great novels it's capable of ...Jeremy, like all great novels it's capable of multiple readings. There is a beguiling ambiguity to it.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-23654116454142401652010-11-27T21:59:26.422-08:002010-11-27T21:59:26.422-08:00@NP: If anyone in the story actually was corrupted...@NP: If anyone in the story actually was corrupted, it was Daisy, and it was by fear, especially fear of other people, not greed or superficiality. This is made clear at a speech in the beginning of the book, where she shows that she's a great deal more thoughtful, and cynical, then she gives away on the outside.<br /><br />To some degree actually, now that I think about, Nick was corrupted by fear as well, and as such never bothered to help any of the people he is narrating the doom of, out of his own fears and insecurities. Ironically enough though, there is one character in the book who has no fear at all, Jordan, and she actually doesn't really care about any of the people in the story, using Nick for his body, Gatsby for his money, and Daisy for company. But was she corrupted? Or has she always been this way? It's not made clear in the story - the only thing that is made clear is that, ironically, she is not afraid. And neither is Gatsby, who cares deeply about people but also misjudges them, massively.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-3174697264323467552010-11-27T21:53:35.477-08:002010-11-27T21:53:35.477-08:00@Ana: I actually don't, but I've always th...@Ana: I actually don't, but I've always thought Gatsby is really about the value of people and strength of character, and all the different forms it can take or not take.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-39846479283100890552010-11-23T17:17:03.578-08:002010-11-23T17:17:03.578-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-15017429238623256012010-11-23T17:16:13.836-08:002010-11-23T17:16:13.836-08:00I realise you understood me, but I was confused wh...I realise you understood me, but I was confused what you were referencing so I thought for what ever reason I'd clarify my remarks.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-76806486921407792052010-11-23T17:12:51.449-08:002010-11-23T17:12:51.449-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-69261407763502980602010-11-23T17:11:55.673-08:002010-11-23T17:11:55.673-08:00There is a character in the novel I alluded to by ...There is a character in the novel I alluded to by the name of Adam Garrie, a Union prisoner in Andersonville, a Confederate prisoner of war camp, a hellish place. <br /><br />Yes, Adam, you have no need to repeat your opinion here; I understood you the first time.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-17531915433746063062010-11-23T16:31:32.884-08:002010-11-23T16:31:32.884-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-62300421556752523392010-11-23T16:30:07.706-08:002010-11-23T16:30:07.706-08:00Jean Paul, I agree, on the socialising, that is. ...Jean Paul, I agree, on the socialising, that is. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-10847067652448516552010-11-23T16:29:22.767-08:002010-11-23T16:29:22.767-08:00Jeremy, yes, money happens! Do you remember the o...Jeremy, yes, money happens! Do you remember the observation about Daisy's voice?Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-43145727598972623662010-11-23T16:25:58.700-08:002010-11-23T16:25:58.700-08:00NP, a beautiful way of puting the novel in perspec...NP, a beautiful way of puting the novel in perspective.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-47687784551783112512010-11-23T16:25:09.835-08:002010-11-23T16:25:09.835-08:00Oh, as an aside, Andersonville progresses so well....Oh, as an aside, <i>Andersonville</i> progresses so well. Adam, I see you were there in the summer of 1864, not a good place to be, believe me!Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-87723618923574158922010-11-23T16:23:49.462-08:002010-11-23T16:23:49.462-08:00Ike, that is so true. That's a good passage. ...Ike, that is so true. That's a good passage. I love Fitzgerald's use of language.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-87784059741172796432010-11-23T09:22:54.712-08:002010-11-23T09:22:54.712-08:00I don't see why someone would like to remake a...I don't see why someone would like to remake a film which is already perfect. It will be a huge deception to all of us who have watched the first. <br /><br />Remakes are normally inferior to the first, authentic film. Cape fear is the only exception I can think of at the moment.<br /><br />On a side note I have to say that socializing is never pointless.Jean Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11604470439372237292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-1642497018581531362010-11-23T07:02:44.078-08:002010-11-23T07:02:44.078-08:00Gatsby isn't really about "being drunk wi...Gatsby isn't really about "being drunk with money," it's more about something that actually happens.<br /><br />@MGON: There is no such thing as obscenity in literature. Literature is the right and proper place for all things that do not see the light of day.Jeremy Jansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218395232783877050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-21935499309400644272010-11-23T06:17:20.591-08:002010-11-23T06:17:20.591-08:00Gatsby is really a modern fairy tale, a Quixote st...Gatsby is really a modern fairy tale, a Quixote story. A search for America's lost innocence, corrupted by greed and superficiality.nothing profoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02538561601096574876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-45604606790480263452010-11-23T04:13:25.481-08:002010-11-23T04:13:25.481-08:00Great Post Anastasia
I shall never forget this li...Great Post Anastasia<br /><br />I shall never forget this line; it is marked in my 1972 Penguin Edition but I found it because I knew where I had marked it on page 186 [the left page in my copy]:<br /><br />“They were careless people, Tom and Daisy – they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made …”<br /><br />It could have written about today, today’s people and today’s money. Things never change when greed and money embrace.<br /><br />The previous paragraph is my own.Ike Jaksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03983698717949531392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-42288895345109879592010-11-23T00:59:01.103-08:002010-11-23T00:59:01.103-08:00Mark, I do an awful lot of pointless drinking and ...Mark, I do an awful lot of pointless drinking and socialising! Your final point expresses my crystal mood so well. Do you know me, by chance? :-))Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-57454604848933114602010-11-23T00:56:38.403-08:002010-11-23T00:56:38.403-08:00Calvin, I would like to think it will be a fresh l...Calvin, I would like to think it will be a fresh look at the novel but the 1974 movie is a bit of an iceberg, difficult to get around.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-70023684315514792992010-11-23T00:54:44.584-08:002010-11-23T00:54:44.584-08:00Tootsie, first a warm welcome to the Impdom! Yes,...Tootsie, first a warm welcome to the Impdom! Yes, I am too. I have a bit of a 'thing', you see, for Leonardo. I think he will make a really delicious Jay Gatsby. :-) <br /><br />I discovered this morning that Stephen Spielberg is going to start shooting a movie about Abraham Lincoln, with Daniel Day-Lewis in the title role, something else to look forward to.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-46707500468276611042010-11-22T20:10:00.386-08:002010-11-22T20:10:00.386-08:00I thought the comment by Baz Luhrmann a bit much; ...I thought the comment by Baz Luhrmann a bit much; I think Scott Fitzgerald would be amused that twenty-first century people (or anyone in fact) might be seeking in his novel an explanation "of where they are and where they've been."<br /><br />You know, I found the novel a touch tedious - all that pointless drinking and socializing (yes, I know, the pointlessness was the point). But let me also say that there was something there that attracted me, a kind of modern romanticism, a kind of yearning that the author felt and only imperfectly realized. But even that is enough to fascinate anyone (like you, Ana, like me, but apparently unlike your grumpy friend Adam!) for whom some kind of magical, romantic restlessness is at the heart of what it means to be alive.Mark Englishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03506844097173520312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-38049649572650921022010-11-22T19:06:58.607-08:002010-11-22T19:06:58.607-08:00Are they making a new film of the novel, or just r...Are they making a new film of the novel, or just remaking the movie?Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640148105202971907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-51732648328551718082010-11-22T18:33:53.078-08:002010-11-22T18:33:53.078-08:00I love the Gatsby! I can't wait for the movie ...I love the Gatsby! I can't wait for the movie either :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-19466655275750081952010-11-22T18:03:46.776-08:002010-11-22T18:03:46.776-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-29061116398232937612010-11-22T18:02:54.943-08:002010-11-22T18:02:54.943-08:00Obscene? Well, that's a new one. :-))Obscene? Well, that's a new one. :-))Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.com