tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post6051637723780104808..comments2024-02-26T00:59:26.907-08:00Comments on Ana the Imp: The days of Herod the KingAnastasia F-Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-83938947843201051602011-03-13T08:10:58.080-07:002011-03-13T08:10:58.080-07:00Kuday: The martyrdom of John the Baptist is a matt...<b>Kuday:</b> The martyrdom of John the Baptist is a matter of contention within Islam. Recently it has been argued that he escaped to Italy where evidence of his having started a community of followers is found. The Quran does not specifically say that either that was martyred nor that he was on good terms with Herod. I don't know where you're getting this from.Rehan Qayoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02391797858691917631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-42086486043684734272011-03-06T14:57:05.185-08:002011-03-06T14:57:05.185-08:00Er...yes. :-)Er...yes. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-50965665036875521582011-03-04T07:41:44.475-08:002011-03-04T07:41:44.475-08:00Dust
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DudeDust<br />Wind<br />DudeDomohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00240964731398145995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-1132144778681269642011-02-27T15:07:42.559-08:002011-02-27T15:07:42.559-08:00Kunday, thank you so much for this excellent infor...Kunday, thank you so much for this <i>excellent</i> information.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-75950073363928054302011-02-27T08:54:59.058-08:002011-02-27T08:54:59.058-08:00Ana, i searched Islamic sources about this subject...Ana, i searched Islamic sources about this subject and i am translating from turkish in case you want to know more. <br /><br />Herod is mentioned in the story of Prophet Yahya (John_the_Baptist, son of Prophet Zachariah). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist <br /><br />Briefly, Quran tells that Yahya (John) was a good friend of Herod who often consulted him for religious orders. So we can understand that Herod was once a good man. Soon, Herod wanted to marry a girl from his wife's previous marriage and invited Yahya to solemnize. Yahya rejected Herod saying his marriage was strictly forbidden and Prophet Isa (Jesus) was saying the same thing. Herod and the girl got angry with all of these and ordered soldiers to capture Yahya. But the mother of bride ordered some soldiers to kill him. Then they found the Prophet Yahya and killed immediately cutting his throat. <br /><br />Shortly speaking, Islamic sources tell that Herod was once a good man but deceived by his family.Kudayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16440614884410703357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-89837584013088708872011-02-24T15:58:29.056-08:002011-02-24T15:58:29.056-08:00Donald, so we might yet see Muammar the Great? :-)...Donald, so we might yet see Muammar the Great? :-) Actually I’m not sure who has the greatest power – those who make history or those who write history. The latter, I suspect.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-49277722678897121312011-02-24T15:56:02.271-08:002011-02-24T15:56:02.271-08:00Dennis, indeed so: the only source for that story ...Dennis, indeed so: the only source for that story is Matthew's Gospel, written well after the events it describes, when Herod was already a black legend. There is also the chronology question. Herod was already dead at the time Jesus was thought to have been born. As I suggested, I see this story as a kind of metaphor for Herod’s brutality, of which there is no doubt. Yes, the Wall is all that remains of a structure that once surrounded the Temple courtyard. It, too, has a symbolic and metaphoric value.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-58979001490541981092011-02-24T15:45:01.315-08:002011-02-24T15:45:01.315-08:00CI, if you can bear it, you really should watch Bi...CI, if you can bear it, you really should watch <i>Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.</i> :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-77480589567401782142011-02-24T15:43:25.739-08:002011-02-24T15:43:25.739-08:00Retarius, indeed so. As an Empress I would be far...Retarius, indeed so. As an Empress I would be far deadlier than the male, Livia and Messalina in one. :-))Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-34529298304737147502011-02-24T09:02:36.561-08:002011-02-24T09:02:36.561-08:00Well then think.Well then think.anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02931330128135957439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-14789098669345026482011-02-24T07:51:25.512-08:002011-02-24T07:51:25.512-08:00It would be interesting to find out how some of to...It would be interesting to find out how some of todays rulers will be depicted in two thousand years time.Donald Swarbrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12599898195409972731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-25519222281729837842011-02-24T07:15:43.358-08:002011-02-24T07:15:43.358-08:00I don't think the massacre of the innocents ac...I don't think the massacre of the innocents actually happened, for the following reasons: Matthew repeatedly stresses Jesus's messianic credentials by noting that this, that or the other OT prophecy has been fulfilled, then he introduces this story, which is not corroborated by any of the other gospels, of Jesus being the target of an operation that involved killing all children of his age. Ring any bells? Moses was the target of an identical operation. Was Matthew touting Jesus as the new Moses? Also, the story is not covered by Josephus, who would certainly have reported it had he got wind of it, given his hostility to Herod.<br /><br />I don't know whether this is correct, but I've always understood that the Wailing Wall is part of Herod's Temple Mount. Nothing remains of the actual temple.Dennis Hodgsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409579380626581592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-63283300028858245442011-02-24T02:48:05.524-08:002011-02-24T02:48:05.524-08:00Who knows? One day technology may allow us to trav...Who knows? One day technology may allow us to travel through time, and we'll wonder what present to bring back from the past for the future.<br />:-)Canary Islanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12559374655320416333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-88163439804286675502011-02-24T02:45:37.279-08:002011-02-24T02:45:37.279-08:00Was there any ancient ruler who was a quiche-eatin...Was there any ancient ruler who was a quiche-eating SNAG? Here's an interesting thought experiment:<br /><br />Imagine you awake tomorrow and find yourself the Empress of Rome in 69 AD..(we'll make that the Year of the Three Emperors and the One Empress).<br /><br />I had to conclude a long time ago that in that situation I'd be flogging and crucifying with the best of 'em just to keep from being done in.Retariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09165689727557860449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-29631525333476241272011-02-24T00:28:47.639-08:002011-02-24T00:28:47.639-08:00Oh, yes, Nobby, everybody knows that article. :-))...Oh, yes, Nobby, <i>everybody</i> knows that article. :-)) Thanks for that link.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-54029555579138421742011-02-24T00:26:56.602-08:002011-02-24T00:26:56.602-08:00Anthony, I don't think Satan approves of synag...Anthony, I don't think Satan approves of synagogues. :-)Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-21498629636860181722011-02-24T00:26:05.375-08:002011-02-24T00:26:05.375-08:00Mario, I'd far rather see myself as a pathfind...Mario, I'd far rather see myself as a pathfinder rather than a revolutionary! But I do not plough a lonley furrow here. Try, if you can, to read that <i>Standpoint</i> article online. It's really rather good. There is also a reasonable piece on Wikipedia about Herod's building projects.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-77890319231443607962011-02-23T22:35:01.284-08:002011-02-23T22:35:01.284-08:00Ana,
" The second part of Jesus' answer ...Ana,<br /><br />" The second part of Jesus' answer deals with the destruction of Jerusalem itself, of which there are significant and specific signs: desolating sacrilege (Mark 13: 14-31) and which THIS GENERATION ( of Jesus' day) will not pass away until it has happened. Lane goes on to list from Josephus' account all those things which did indeed fulfill the very words of Christ about the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem... ."<br /><br />see link: http://www.scholarscorner.com/museums/titus.htmNobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329815721904353534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-56742166822459429022011-02-23T20:31:37.575-08:002011-02-23T20:31:37.575-08:00The synagogue of Satan.The synagogue of Satan.anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02931330128135957439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-11978171026966111432011-02-23T19:41:32.143-08:002011-02-23T19:41:32.143-08:00Ana, Have you seen this link: http://en.wikipedia....Ana, Have you seen this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman<br /><br />My understanding is that Herod was considered a great man until the infamous 'massacre of the Innocents.'Nobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16329815721904353534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-83568454151314759532011-02-23T18:46:43.184-08:002011-02-23T18:46:43.184-08:00Ana you are a revolutionary really only I can say ...Ana you are a revolutionary really only I can say that, you have your ideas, go forward, but only a few will follow you for sure in those thoughts. All the achievements of Herod has something wrong in the place of his goals and history did not recognize him like a great architect, he is not in that way in history and not in art culture, one butterfly is not the spring, one view of a jew is not the rule (more in the middle of a mass), romans make him look better than he was because he was his lackey. You can not change the history and how people remember a man, you only have the liberty of believe in what you want. Mario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-75944585842077030712011-02-23T17:57:41.380-08:002011-02-23T17:57:41.380-08:00Well, that’s certainly an impassioned view, Mario,...Well, that’s certainly an impassioned view, Mario, closer to traditional interpretations than my own! But, like him or not, he was great for all the reasons that I have given. Above all he was a great survivor, a great political operator, one who managed to preserve and extend his small kingdom in the midst of some of the greatest upheavals in world history. He was great architect and not just because of the Temple, creating his own distinctive classical style. It was actually the Jewish historian Josephus who first referred to him as ‘the Great’, not the Romans, and he was no friend of Herod! Still, I accept that he was always going to be a controversial figure. I would just ask for a more nuanced understanding.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-14831877572263117242011-02-23T17:42:35.152-08:002011-02-23T17:42:35.152-08:00Herod was garbage, you can call him in some way sm...Herod was garbage, you can call him in some way smart but he was a crazy man, and he was a murderous and a toady, he was a kind of joke too, though kill his wife, two sons and family of his wife but building a temple does not make him great, a title that romans give him, how do you want that history recognize his achievements? maybe know more about him must be interesting but the true that he was not any kind of symbol or a hero, not a good leader. A kiss. MarioAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-53255689953633053382011-02-23T17:10:00.321-08:002011-02-23T17:10:00.321-08:00Yes, according to Josephus he did.
Calvin, I re...Yes, according to Josephus he did. <br /><br />Calvin, I read a book a few years ago – unfortunately the title escapes me – that dealt with developments in first century Europe and China, alternating between one location and the other. If I find out what it was I’ll certainly let you know.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-73349503255262656032011-02-23T16:18:40.056-08:002011-02-23T16:18:40.056-08:00Poor Herod died a nasty death, didn't he?
It ...Poor Herod died a nasty death, didn't he?<br /><br />It was a busy period in the ancient world: the invasion of Albion, fall of the Ptolemies, end of the Roman Republic and beginning of Imperial succession, annexation of Greece, and soon the destruction of Jerusalem and the Diaspora. Lots of red meat for historians.<br /><br />It makes me curious if events were just as volatile elsewhere in the world in the Orient and the Americas. I will have to do some digging . . .Calvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10640148105202971907noreply@blogger.com