tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post3615207103485472002..comments2024-02-26T00:59:26.907-08:00Comments on Ana the Imp: Sacred AncestorsAnastasia F-Bhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-71592253978174918702010-10-28T01:55:55.646-07:002010-10-28T01:55:55.646-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-13377121337586253012010-10-27T17:45:30.212-07:002010-10-27T17:45:30.212-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-76979650771393825822010-10-27T17:43:32.259-07:002010-10-27T17:43:32.259-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-78074737560343613202010-10-27T16:36:40.460-07:002010-10-27T16:36:40.460-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-79191766971880492792010-10-27T16:34:41.702-07:002010-10-27T16:34:41.702-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-29799689297939232762010-10-27T16:17:28.840-07:002010-10-27T16:17:28.840-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-42522540083279445782010-10-27T16:10:26.815-07:002010-10-27T16:10:26.815-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-59061846617898727902010-10-27T15:59:18.790-07:002010-10-27T15:59:18.790-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-15761192114652499502010-10-27T15:48:50.536-07:002010-10-27T15:48:50.536-07:00No loving parent of any fait or none would amputat...No loving parent of any fait or none would amputate and perfectly healthy part of a child's body.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-26484214135518714242010-10-27T15:45:56.151-07:002010-10-27T15:45:56.151-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-46315414860696227132010-10-27T15:39:09.326-07:002010-10-27T15:39:09.326-07:00Circumcision is an ancient Semitic practice, incre...Circumcision is an ancient Semitic practice, increasingly adopted in gentile societies for reasons of personal hygiene. It’s certainly not something I would take a stand over, or refer to it as ‘mutilation’ in the way that female circumcision is so obviously mutilation. All I will say is that the evidence is that the rates of cervical cancer among women are that much lower in societies that do practice circumcision than those that don’t. I would hardly describe, say, loving Jewish or Muslim parents as "fanatical child molesters". No sane government is ever going to legislate against the practice.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-56966946897103260892010-10-27T09:52:10.521-07:002010-10-27T09:52:10.521-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-52773437179146445252010-10-27T09:51:24.476-07:002010-10-27T09:51:24.476-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-46583864032407377122010-10-27T09:25:02.160-07:002010-10-27T09:25:02.160-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-77467201833405132622010-10-26T16:46:09.129-07:002010-10-26T16:46:09.129-07:00Anthony, yes, I agree: spirituality is one of the ...Anthony, yes, I agree: spirituality is one of the most important dimensions of human experience.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-11791299177928766542010-10-26T16:44:24.753-07:002010-10-26T16:44:24.753-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-78801884387737145332010-10-26T16:44:22.916-07:002010-10-26T16:44:22.916-07:00I’m getting tire of repeating myself, but HAD did ...I’m getting tire of repeating myself, but HAD did not try to speak for the entire pagan community, a practical absurdity; it spoke for itself. My goodness, I would have thought we would have leaned by now that the ‘scientific community’ is not all powerful or beyond reproach; that it is a gross error to make a fetish out of scientific practice. We are taking besides about museum displays, about the best way of presenting such displays, and organisations such as HAD have a right to express a view without being accused of ‘religious extremism’ simply because it happens to be run by pagans. I remember on one of the episodes of <i>Time Team</i> the remains of a woman buried by a bridge in the Middle Ages, a sign of an outcast, were reinterred in consecrated ground with all due solemnity. There is no contradiction so far as I am concerned between scientific inquiry and respect for the ancient dead. <br /><br />I don't honestly know what my position on male 'genital mutilation' has to do with anything raised here.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-62100680252245783282010-10-26T16:42:50.923-07:002010-10-26T16:42:50.923-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-77276188851833844012010-10-26T16:20:37.910-07:002010-10-26T16:20:37.910-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-19629907865746489002010-10-26T16:14:18.660-07:002010-10-26T16:14:18.660-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-28415356944935122482010-10-26T16:12:53.494-07:002010-10-26T16:12:53.494-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-83909911841946460742010-10-26T16:11:41.719-07:002010-10-26T16:11:41.719-07:00Calvin, it's a complicated issue, in North Ame...Calvin, it's a complicated issue, in North America more than anywhere else. But there are real questions over past practices that have had contemporary political implications. It's interesting to see the contrasting views that you and Retarius have here, though the circumstances, generally speaking, are pretty much the same. I don't think any of us can make judgements on the basis of personal perceptions. There are so many factors to be taken into account, not least the impact of advanced civilizations on 'failed cultures', specifically the way in which failure was amplified and humiliation the prevailing experience.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-28772679642573607172010-10-26T16:08:47.710-07:002010-10-26T16:08:47.710-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-22860583530157669892010-10-26T16:05:41.182-07:002010-10-26T16:05:41.182-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fletch's Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16402507296202065300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4413130168723738166.post-73027629562697364932010-10-26T16:01:46.446-07:002010-10-26T16:01:46.446-07:00Adam, this is part of what you wrote, tub-thumping...Adam, this is part of what you wrote, tub-thumping, sabre-rattling and irrational;<br /><br /><i>Whilst it is shocking that what I thought was a rather docile Pagan community should plunge to the moral depths of Hamas or The Taliban who famously destroyed the Buddhas of Bamyan in an act of archaeological terrorism ; it is perhaps more shocking that museum officials have been so acquiescent to the demands of these religious extremists.</i><br /><br /><i>The state of the scientific community is indeed an ill one if a small group of archaeological terrorists can voices their threats in so loud a voice so as to win the censorship of beautiful ancient artefacts. We are all familiar with groups like Hamas and The Taliban, but now it seems British Pagans have a wing of their faith that is no better than these vile groups.</i><br /><br />It was you who drew my attention to this story but rather than simply accept things at face value I decided to do a spot of research. I repeat HAD’s policy on the question display is perfectly reasonable, with none of the ‘religious extremism’ you allude to, none of the ‘archaeological terrorism.’ To try to compare this organisation with Hamas or the Taliban <i>on any level</i>, moral or otherwise, is bizarrely inappropriate. Besides, you have a wholly artificial and ill-informed view of the pagan community, which follows no single agreed policy or central dikat. Pagans are the most varied group of people you could ever imagine; there is even a pagan archaeological group that takes a different view here from HAD. <br /><br />I honestly don’t know where issue of intolerance comes from. As far as I can see, on the basis of their own published statement, HAD are simply looking for some balance; that remains displayed for scientific purposes are still worthy of some respect in the way they are displayed. I have no argument with that whatsoever.Anastasia F-Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284602529524462457noreply@blogger.com